Packard Darrin Convertible and Coupé Parisienne by Western Models

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Re: Packard Darrin Convertible and Coupé Parisienne by Western Models

Post by Jager » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:40 am

The roof is an interesting challenge.

Have you thought about using the roof from a cheap Matchbox Yesteryear / Solido / Brumm model as a starting point, to which you could add or cut out material to make it fit :

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Re: Packard Darrin Convertible and Coupé Parisienne by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:33 pm

Tom wrote:
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Wow, the wood carving turned out very nicely! I bet it took a lot of work to get the shape correct...
The first time I've made something like this... :) And it was not so difficult as it may seem! Kind of artisanal work...
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The roof is an interesting challenge. Have you thought about using the roof from a cheap Matchbox Yesteryear / Solido / Brumm model as a starting point, to which you could add or cut out material to make it fit :
Honestly, I've not :oops: You know, I'm always going the hard way ;)

The result of eight hours of work today:

ImageFirst I wanted to use brass sheet, but I had not the appropriate sheet thickness in stock, furthermore I guess this is a very delicate work - I will try it somewhen in the future. So I choose the brute alternative: simply dripping solder on the wood shape :D

ImageLooks not that bad, does it?

ImageThe surface of soldered parts is unfortunately always quite holey and has to be smoothened over with some putty...

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Re: Packard Darrin Convertible and Coupé Parisienne by Western Models

Post by Tom » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:04 pm

Wow, that is impressive!

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Post by LUW » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:34 pm

Block of zamac.
So much easier... :roll:
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Post by Serafa » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:35 pm

Awesome! I appreciate a lot the level of determination you apply on your projects.
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Post by Jager » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:39 pm

8 hours.....that's dedication.
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Post by Jean B. » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:01 pm

Tom wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:04 pm
Wow, that is impressive!
Thank you! I find it thrilling to follow the designer of this car: first you think "it's only a roof", but when doing this, you learn how delicate all angles are to be made to catch the dramatic impact of the original. I hope that the final model will show this :)
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Block of zamac. So much easier... :roll:
Think of getting a new pet, a cat or a dog: you could buy one, but there's the pet asylum with old and sad animals, and they look at you with their big eyes and beg "take me home, feed me and I'll be your best friend!". I feel just the same when I see old and damaged white-metals :roll:
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Awesome! I appreciate a lot the level of determination you apply on your projects.
Well, one step forces the other. At the beginning I was not so very convinced of this particular car, as it is rather a "semi-custom" than top-luxury "coachbuilt". So I - again - thought about simply making a new paint-job and some slight enhancements to get a proper model. But then...
Jager wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:39 pm
8 hours.....that's dedication.
You know, none of the other kids allowed me to play with, so I had to look for an alternative :cry:

Starting with smoothing over. Larger areas are difficult to make...

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...so first drill some small holes so that the putty gets more "grip":

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Meanwhile almost all surfaces are made, and the radiator grilles are also newly shaped:

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Post by Tom » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:15 pm

The tedious work, you will only see it if not done properly.
Progress on the bodies seems faster than usual this time, is it because you had less reshaping to do or because you're getting more skilled at it (or a combination of both)?

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Post by LUW » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:52 am

They're looking good already! Any thoughts on colors? What about a "blouse & dress" scheme?
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Post by Jean B. » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:24 pm

Tom wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:15 pm
The tedious work, you will only see it if not done properly. Progress on the bodies seems faster than usual this time, is it because you had less reshaping to do or because you're getting more skilled at it (or a combination of both)?
I've got no idea... :?: But in fact the Packard is far "easier" than the Mercedes. The clean and "bulb" shapes are half as complicated as the flowing lines of the Merc, I think. Finally my feeling is that every car has its very own complications :)
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They're looking good already! Any thoughts on colors? What about a "blouse & dress" scheme?
Not this time! The Packard Darrin already shows the future design of the 1940s with an almost pontoon shaped, "chubby" design. These designs were definitely not made for two-tone paintings. There's one example of the Darrin with a blouse & dress scheme (dark red and black), and it looks terrible! My plan is to paint the convertible according to the vintage advertising already shown and the coupé simply in black (no very original look, but this time suitable).

Smoothing over is nearly completed, that means that I first have to prime the cars to see what's still to be done again. Next step is to engrave the seams of all hoods and doors. This is a really fiddly work as the white-metal is soft, but also very slippery - the needle goes anywhere and scratches the surfaces, but never follows your fingers... :evil: :

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ImageThe doors for the hardtop bodies don't go to the bottom line - I suppose that the doors for the convertible had to be longer as they had the "Darrin-dip" and accordingly quite high side windows which had to vanish completely in the doors.

Tomorrow the lines for the funny bonnet will follow (three-pieced).

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Post by Tom » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:09 pm

I know how hard this is, and I admire your results.

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Post by Jager » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:05 pm

Looking forward to seeing them in the primer. I'm always amazed at what a transformation that makes.
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Post by Jean B. » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:07 pm

Tom wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:09 pm
I know how hard this is, and I admire your results.
Thank you! Today I've done the remaining lines, now I can relax - at least for a while... :P
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Looking forward to seeing them in the primer. I'm always amazed at what a transformation that makes.
...it does! I think by the end of the week I'll start with the primer, let's get surprised!

For the seams of the hood I designed some templates in Inkscape and had them printed on paper:

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Then fixed with spray adhesive on thin polysterene, cut out and smoothed the edges:

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Fixed the parts on the body (with double-sided adhesive tape) and engraved the lines:

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Et voilà:

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Furthermore all holes for handles etc. were drilled and small slots for the bumper holdings were cut:

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Post by gilma » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:40 am

Wow, great progress. I loved how you made the roof, turned out very nice 8-)

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Post by Jean B. » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:10 pm

gilma wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:40 am
Wow, great progress. I loved how you made the roof, turned out very nice 8-)
Thank you :P ! As already said, it was quite a crude work :? , but maybe I'm too critical - in the end only the final result counts, I guess :)

Meanwhile I'm busy with designing the p/e parts, as all the "hard" works at the bodies are done. The windshields:

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... and the according graphics:

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The radiator grille:

Image(with hardly any straight line or angle all-over...)

The most elaborate work is to print and cut out all the parts which are related to the body time after time until the exact measurements are fixed:

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Post by LUW » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:19 pm

They're coming out great!
What do you use for the windows?
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Post by Jean B. » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:13 pm

LUW wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:19 pm
They're coming out great! What do you use for the windows?
It'll be the same procedure as every time: The frames are photo-etched from 0.2mm nickle silver, and the window panes are cut from 0.15mm glass sheet. Those parts glued together - and ready :P ! If some glue (I always use 2-component adhesive "blue" from UHU) gets on the glass, that's no problem: just let it dry entirely for about an hour, and than it can be scratched off with a clean surgery knife without any remainings.

Next (but not the last :roll: ) turn of p/e parts is prepared. I always double the foil layers as one single layer is not "black" enough:

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Here are the two ready-made pockets (for 0.2 and 0.5mm metal sheet) consisting of four layers each (two front and two reverse):

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The wheels are now equipped with short brass-tubes in the center:

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...and this is just a first test for painting red pin-stripes on the wheel covers:

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Post by Tom » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:37 pm

The process of designing parts and making PE sheets always fascinates me. Looks like you've managed to fine tune the process over time.

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Post by LUW » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:19 am

Jean, it's real glass? But what it you need a curved surface?
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Post by David MG » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:20 am

LUW wrote:
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Jean, it's real glass? But what it you need a curved surface?
Jean heats it with a blowlamp and gently teases in to shape with his fingers :shock:
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Post by LUW » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:07 pm

Really? Holy female bovine! :shock:
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Post by Jean B. » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:24 pm

Tom wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:37 pm
The process of designing parts and making PE sheets always fascinates me. Looks like you've managed to fine tune the process over time.
A couple of months ago I "re-booted" the p/e process, with shorter times for lighting and developing and using thinner gap-lines around the parts - successfully :P ! On the other hand: today the etching was not perfect, as the etching solution was already too long in use - that's a thing you cannot predict exactly, although I of course notice how much metal I've solved... :? So the whole thing still needs a little luck :)
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Jean, it's real glass? But what it you need a curved surface?
Then I'll have lots of shards :lol: Well, perhaps that's the reason why I only build pre-war cars :P Honestly: I've got three or four cars with curved windows in my collection and I have no idea how to deal with them! In this case I'll have to use plastic windows, but it will still be difficult to get them adjusted to the frames...
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Jean heats it with a blowlamp and gently teases in to shape with his fingers :shock:
Maybe sculpting from a block of rock crystal would do, either... :D

The ready 0.2mm sheet:

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...and the 0.5mm sheet:

ImageDue to the consumed etching solution it took much too much time so that the edges are already pitted. At least the most important parts for the moment are good enough to be used... :roll:

The profile for the reverse side of the tire glued to the master:

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Preparing the silicone casting:

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Kind of "dunkin' donuts":

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The beltlines fixed in position:

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The radiator grille glued onto BMF:

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...cut out properly:

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...and bent in the centerline:

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Re: Packard Darrin Convertible and Coupé Parisienne by Western Models

Post by Tom » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:18 am

I told you that you could do a lot better with the grill and I was right. :) Impressive upgrade!

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Re: Packard Darrin Convertible and Coupé Parisienne by Western Models

Post by Jager » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:48 am

Great work on the grill, but should it be longer ?
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