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M4 2015 (Rio, Art Model, Best, M4)

Post by dbonser » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:03 am

BEST9578 Alfa Romeo 33.2 Coupe 968 Spa Gosselin/Trosch
BEST9579 1967 Farrari 275 GTB Spider NART
BEST9580 Porsche Abarth Coupe 1961 Tour De France Bouchet/Aury

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Post by dbonser » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:05 am

RIO4465 1967 Citroën DS21 Pernod
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RIO4467 1963 Citroën ID19 Break Hearse

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Post by dbonser » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:07 am

ART318 Ferrari 500 TRC Spider 1958 Sebring De La Mesa/Gonzalez/Gomez/Mena
ART319 Ferrari 195 Touring Berlinetta 1953 Giro Di Sicilia Cornacchia/Frigerio

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Post by DeadCanDanceR » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:31 am

Some nice releases from Best and Art Model. ;)
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Post by Tom » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:37 am

Indeed. Not new castings, but charming stuff. Strange that the DS Break seems to be missing most of its rear bumper.

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Post by Jager » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:14 pm

Tom, I think you'll find the Citroen 'Break' is actually a hearse. The missing bumper may have due to the way the rear opened for its 'cargo'.
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Post by Tom » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:27 pm

On the 1:1, the lower part of the tailgate hinges down including the centre section of the bumper. I can't see anyone changing that to make it more practical...

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Post by Rat » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:29 pm

A yellow Ferrari 275 GTB from Best was one of my first models I bought in 1/43 scale 20+ years ago and now I see the red spider appears to be pretty much unchanged. I guess they got their money back out of that mold by now. :lol:

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Post by Baxter » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:51 pm

I'm disappointed, frankly. I recently posted that I had thought this company produced junk but recently was pleasantly surprised while going over the Italian portion of my collection. The models above would not be among the surprising ones. They do a lot of subjects and races that nobody else covered, so that's good. But Spark seems anxious to do the same. I just hoped that they'd do a little more to improve the models over the course of 25 years. The photoetch is much appreciated but the lines of the body are soft.

A diecast collector has to start somewhere, and this is their first step into "serious" things after bburago, Hot Wheels and whatnot. We need to have them at the low end of the market. But as Rat said, the molds are paid for by now. It's time for some new ones or improvements to the old ones. The ArtModel 250 California shows that they can do a little better when they want to. The 275P isn't bad either.

Rio. Have they done a new casting since the 1960s? JeanB shows us that there's some good there underneath the shortcuts. Shame that they can't make some of the improvements that he has. Maybe a transkit is in order.

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Post by Tom » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:45 am

I think only M4 is releasing new castings. The rest is essentially dead, they're milking old models for a slim customer base. Which is a shame because they used to make models at the high end of the spectrum 30 years ago. Their models are indeed a good base for further transformations- basic shapes are good, they can use some detailing.

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Post by JSB33 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:49 am

Baxter wrote:
A diecast collector has to start somewhere, and this is their first step into "serious" things after bburago, Hot Wheels and whatnot. We need to have them at the low end of the market. But as Rat said, the molds are paid for by now. It's time for some new ones or improvements to the old ones.
I think the next step up would probably be IXO/Altaya. Seeing that Best sells new for $50 there is little value or even merit in buying them. Unless you can pick them up used at bargain prices its best to look elsewhere.

That said i am a big fan of the M4's I have.
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Post by Baxter » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:34 pm

JSB33 wrote:I think the next step up would probably be IXO/Altaya. Seeing that Best sells new for $50 there is little value or even merit in buying them. Unless you can pick them up used at bargain prices its best to look elsewhere.
They always seemed to be on sale when I was buying them, and priced below all else. I don't own any M4 or Best any more, and I'm down to six ArtModel. I see that Bang gave up at the end of 2005. It's sad when one of the early brands falls so far behind. From my point of view, the arrival of Spark turned 1:43 diecast upside down.

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Post by Alfaholic » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:42 pm

While I agree that the sharpness is not up to modern levels, their subject matter often matches my current collecting habits. Spark and TSM are starting to do more Alfas but often these older brands are the "best" way to get some older Ferraris. Looking at the current Ferrari situation that is discussed elsewhere, these brands can fit nicely in between the "toys" and overpriced high end models offered by the others. I have quite a few M4s, Bests, Bangs, Art Models and will continue to add them.
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Post by Jager » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:28 am

I agree. The Art Model Ferrari's and Best Alfa's fill many holes in my collection that haven't been done by others. Many of them I've picked up over the years for $20 - 30 as they seem to be a neglected area on eBay and there are some great bargains to be had.

Here's an unusual Ferrari from Art Model I bought a few years back. What are the chances of Burago making one of these ?

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Spending $50 on a new one is another matter.
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Post by JSB33 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:42 am

What are the specifics on that car, Ian?
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Post by Jager » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:21 am

JSB33 wrote:What are the specifics on that car, Ian?
Its a Ferrari 500 TR from the 1956 Le Mans 24 Hours. Driven by Frenchman François Picard and American Robert ‘Bob’ Tappan.

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Here's a better view of the model (someone else's picture, not mine) :

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It was running in 11th place (and leading the 2-litre class) when it was disqualified in the 14th hour. Aparently it ran out of fuel after 32 laps and pitted for more fuel, but the rules required a minimum 34 laps between refuelling.

I'm guessing the blue and white American racing colours were due to Tappan. He owned and raced a Ferrari 500 Mondial in the US at Sebring and Watkins Glen in 1955, but I'm unsure if this was the same car. The official entrant of the car at Le Mans was Jean Lucas, not Tappan, but that may have just been a way to get around difficult French politics at the time.
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Post by JSB33 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:25 am

Thanks for the background. The font of the numbers made me think Cunningham but perhaps that was just the style of the day.
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Post by Baxter » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:19 am

JSB33 wrote:Thanks for the background. The font of the numbers made me think Cunningham but perhaps that was just the style of the day.
Cunningham ran a Ferrari twice at Le Mans. 375MM in 1954 and a 250GT Experimentale in 1962. I've kept track of all his Le Mans entries, hoping to get a model of each. The 375MM was done by TopModel but I've never seen one. In addition to the Ferrari, he ran two Maserati 151/1 in 1962. Both were done by Jolly but I likewise have not seen them. I keep hoping that Spark will do the remaining models because I'm not thrilled with Jolly and TopModel.

A few companies have released the Maserati Tipo 161 Birdcage but none have seen fit to do a Cunningham version. He also ran a Shelby Daytona Coupe at Le Mans in 1964. Many have released the Gurney/Grant car but none have done Cunningham that I know of.

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Post by Jager » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:29 pm

Baxter, I've seen the Top Model '54 Ferrari in the hand and its nothing special - in fact its pretty ugly. There is one on eBay in the US with a few clear pictures for $42.99 here :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-375MM-C ... 27fd399210

I don't think the 1962 entry was a Cunningham car. The car was officially entered at Le Mans by the Ferrari factory and while it was entered in the US colours of white with blue stripes, I think that was because it was driven by American's Ed Hugus and George Reed (neither of who ever drove for Cunningham, at least not at Le Mans). Bang have released this one :

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The two 1962 Maserati 151's have both been done by Pinko. Much better than Jolly Models, but also twice as expensive and many times harder to find.

The Briggs Cunningham website has some great information : http://www.briggscunningham.com/
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Post by Baxter » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:06 pm

Jager wrote:The Briggs Cunningham website has some great information : http://www.briggscunningham.com/
Yes, that's where I thought I had gotten the information on the 1962 entry but I went there to check and you are correct. I don't know where I picked up that incorrect information. I hold out hope that Spark will eventually produce the models that I lack. Although it would be nice to fill the gap, I have replaced too many cars that were pucrchased to fill a space on the shelf. It's expensive so I have learned to be patient. There is certainly no lack of other items I can buy while I'm waiting.

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