Simple diorama of derelict land

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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by orky » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:32 pm

thanks

yes, my understanding is all L models have the 3d trim and all in black colour.

base models do not have any 3d trims, they are flat. Some have coloured strips, others are completely plain with no coloured strips. The colour strips vary, the ones I have come across are white, light blue and red. Not sure if there are more colours though.

To make things more complicated, there are actually two strips on the base model, light brown strip just below the main coloured strip. Looks like the light brown strip is around a quarter of the main strip just above it. On my yellow model, the white strip is is 0.5mm height, which means if to scale the thinner brown strip is roughly a quarter of that (0.125mm?) and the man who makes the decal strips for me said that would be too small to do and because it's so small the quality would be poor + not cost effective so I didn't bother. The thinner brown strip is barely visible on some escort colours anyway so not too bothered about that

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Post by ghosthunter » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:27 pm

Good point about the finer strips, there is a limit to creating some of the smaller details down to 1/43rd... :D

On the Mk II Escort there was a 'Popular' version which as far as I could tell was the most basic Ford Escort available in the UK and if I remember correctly (it was in the early 1980's!), that had all Black trim lines and window frames. Did they carry this over to the Mk III Escort.

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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by Tom » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:56 pm

Looks great. From my memories of 1980s holidays in the UK, all Poulars were either white, red or blue. I can't recall this yellow but it looks authentic.

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Post by dcast » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:29 am

Escort Mk3 was popular car here too but never studied the different trimlevels until now.
Looked a Finnish car magazine, Tekniikan Maailma issue 10/1981 which has a comparison test, 6 cars in Escort class. All versions of the cars have been catalogued in one page so here's the Escort choices here in 1981 :)
Ford Escort (the base version without any trim level letters), engines 1,1 and 1,3 litres, 3-door HB and 1,1 3-door STW.
Ford Escort L, 1,1 3-d HB, 1,3 3-door and 5-door HB and 1,3 3-door STW
Ford Escort GL 1,6 5-door HB.
Ford Escort XR3 1,6 3-door HB.

In the comparison test there was Escort L 1,3 3-door Hatchback which seems to have black B-pillar, chrome trim in the windscreen rubber trim but no 3d black trim in the side, maybe at most some coloured tape. The car is light blue metallic.

Another magazine I have (Tuulilasi 11/1981, 13 cars in comparison test) there's a white 3-door Escort L with 1,1 engine and it also has black B-pillar and thin black looking trim in the side, chrome trim in the windshield rubber seal.

Later more versions became available, for example the Escort LX with Renault based engines, Escort Cabriolet and so on.

Cheapest Escort 1,1 3-door HB in 1981 had a pricetag of 41.990 FIM which converted in todays Euros is 18.458,804 €.
For comparison, cheapest Ford Focus here today (pricelist dated 15th of July 2016): Focus 1.0 EcoBoost 100 hp start/stop Trend 5-door M5 trans: 19 724,55 €.
Surprisingly small price difference!

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Post by orky » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:11 am

I know the mk2 escort you're referring to, vanguards actually have a light blue one of these in their range which I did previously have in my collection. The 1/43 is a very nice model however the separate front valance trim ruins it in my opinion, the 1/1 model has front valance trim integrated with the main body as one whole unit. I'd imagine the mk2 popular version was carried over to mk3 in 1980 as they were available from initial launch (Sep/Oct 1980 in UK?).

Tom, eventually I will do another mk3 base model to accompany the yellow one, and I'll allow people to vote on colour (from shortlist of about four), side strip colour and reg year :). Can do step by step pics like on Astra thread but I warn I won't start for a good few months yet.

dcast, thanks for info on escort range. Quite staggering, the price comparison to the modern focus!

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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by Tom » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:23 am

I agree about the front valance. They did the same with their mk.II Golf and it looks terrible.

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Post by orky » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:54 am

without meaning to moan about vanguards as quite clearly you can see from my collection how fond I am of their models, sometimes their lack of making whole body shell as one unit lets them down badly.

Models which spring to mind, aside from the escort mk2 and golf 2 are the granadas mk2 both series and ford capri mk3. The series 1 granada isn't so bad as the front side bumper can conceal a lot of the gap and the rest can easily be concealed using filler. The other two I would have had a model each in my collection but for the errors mentioned. Of course they can be "fixed" when attempting to respray from scratch but will be a lot of hard work!

The capri mk3 they have got the shape spot on - but the sides in between the wheel arches are awful.

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Post by ghosthunter » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:33 am

Some great information coming to this thread Guys.

On reflection of the above Escort information, I am wondering if the most basic Ford Escort be it Mk II and or Mk III, badged as 'Popular', is a UK specific car. Ford in the UK were great at introducing well built but cheap to buy cars for the Family Man. The early original Ford E103E 'Popular' is a good example, morphing into the 100E in 1959.

The comparison information in dcast's post does not mention a car badged as 'Popular' so my thoughts on it being UK specific could be right.

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Post by Tom » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:23 pm

I think the Popular base model was UK only. Ours was just called Escort. If I'm not mistaken some models got a Popular Plus version too, not sure what that means as far as equipment is concerned.

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Post by dcast » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:07 pm

Tom wrote:I think the Popular base model was UK only. Ours was just called Escort. If I'm not mistaken some models got a Popular Plus version too, not sure what that means as far as equipment is concerned.
I think so too. I don't remember any Ford being called as "Popular" trim level here. The base Escort was just Escort, no extra letters or words attached to it.

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Post by orky » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:32 pm

well the ford brochure magazine I have from Oct/Nov 84 has the lowest spec mk3 escort referred to as "popular and saloon". Clearly it's a hatchback!!! I'd imagine it must have been some kind of marketing ploy... the mk2 was a saloon ie longer boot whereas the escort mk3 was the first to have the cut- off boot. Think they used the same ploy with the mk5 cortina/mk1 sierra shortly after.

Back to the brochure, it refers to popular and saloon as two different models. By the looks of it, popular being the 1.1 engine and saloon 1.3. I'm guessing and trying to read between the lines... quite confusing :oops:

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Post by orky » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:12 pm

just to add, two-page spread per spec level, it goes (from lowest spec upwards)

popular and saloon "attractive proof that award-winning cars need not be expensive to buy or run"

escort laser "the lively Laser brings 'special value' to the escort range". special edition model with colour coded grille.

escort L "a choice of four or five gears, two petrol engines and one diesel engine gives the L fine performance with exceptional economy".

escort GL "high levels of comfort and efficiency in a car with the technology to look after its driver".

escort ghia "in the lap of luxury... but there's more to the Ghia than sumptuous trimmings and impressive electronics".

escort XR3i "ford's fuel-injected flier is capable of 116 mph and combines refinement with razor-sharp handling".

escort cabriolet and cabriolet 1.6i "ford's classy cabriolets combine the fun of open-air motoring with room for all the family"

escort estates "even roomier than the saloon but with similar aerodynamics for outstanding all-round efficiency"


I'm guessing they refer to base models as popular and saloon but still confusing as surely all models up to and including ghia should be classed as saloon (or hatchback! as none of the mk3 escorts had the saloon boot!)

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Post by Tom » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:12 am

Oh yes, the Laser. Metallic paint and body-coloured grill. You could get away with calling that a special edition in those days...

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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by orky » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:05 am

A couple more pics, newest addition being the sierra which has been resprayed (much like the escort!) numerous times to try and make it look as realistic as possible. Kitchen foil came in handy for those halogen headlights!


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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by Tom » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:31 pm

Excellent. A random car park in the UK in the 1980s as I recall it... except that there were always lots of classics there.

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Post by ghosthunter » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:46 pm

That is a cracking line up of the cars we all used to see up and down our streets, but now sadly long gone, not a single car in those pictures has been seen around my area for ages, where are they all?

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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by orky » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:56 pm

thanks, yes now these cars are sadly long gone which is I why I'm so selective when it comes to collecting.

a few more code 3's I have planned ahead but no time frame -

vanguards ford capri mk3 in black. Yes vanguards do a decent model however the base is a separate unit and this ruins the model in my opinion as it therefore differs from the real thing. The sides in between the wheel arches just below the doors are particularly bad. I'll try to rectify these errors.

vanguards ford escort mk2 (haven't decided on colour). Again it's the separate front valance trim which ruins an otherwise very nice model.

vanguards vauxhall cavalier mk2 SRi series one model. Vanguards do series 3 versions which is very different to series 1 & 2, especially the body shape. This'll be a really big project and may not be doable but as I've already brought the model (about a year ago for about £10!) I will give this a try. The front valance is very different as is the front grill and the model needs to look like one whole unit.

Like I say no time frame but I've learnt to go for quality over quantity and the work is sometimes painfully slow!

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Post by orky » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:13 pm

another pic of the escort/sierra.

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Post by Jager » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:54 am

orky wrote:vanguards ford capri mk3 in black. Yes vanguards do a decent model however the base is a separate unit and this ruins the model in my opinion as it therefore differs from the real thing. The sides in between the wheel arches just below the doors are particularly bad. I'll try to rectify these errors.
Orky, I'm no expert on the differences between the various Capri models, but it seems just about everyone has modelled the Capri.....Solido, Minichamps, Whitebox etc. Modelcarworld have this Whitebox Mk III in black for €9.60 :

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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by orky » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:56 pm

oh thanks, much appreciated. From your post I have come across "atlas editions" version of the mk3 capri and am in the process of respraying it brown.

Atlas editions I have never come across before, the capri shell is very good but the lights however leave a lot to be desired, therefore I am tweaking a few things. Headlights will be small gems brought from hobbycraft, replacing the horrible toy-like headlights with the black holes in each one. Orange indicator lights on the front bumper, wingmirrors, twin exhaust and wheels will be taken from vanguards, and I'll do some work on the front bumper and back lights to make them look more realistic.

Will be a ghia model.

One thing I really like about the atlas editions capri is the interior - really like the superb attention to detail.

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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by Tom » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:42 pm

I have the Atlas Capri in brown, very nice model that cost me EUR 3.

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Post by orky » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:26 pm

a quick question and would be grateful for any replies - do any of the mk3 ghia models have different colours just below the bumpers and side-panels? I know this is an option on the injection models - vanguards do a dark blue version with silver under the bumpers and a peppermint green version with light green under the bumpers.

I've resprayed my model nut brown and would love to have a creamish beige colour below the bumpers/side panels... would I then have to make it an injection model with the pepperpot alloys?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by DavieW » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:11 pm

Pretty sure all Ghias were a single colour.

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Re: Simple diorama of derelict land

Post by Galaxy Gaz » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:15 pm

The only Mk3 Capri`s that came two toned were the Calypso and Cabaret Special editions along with the 2.8 injection and injection special models .

The Ghia was only available in single colours. I hope you are removing the rear spoiler from the Atlas version as the Ghia never had one fitted.

That whitebox capri looks like the same model used by atlas for their black and red injection models and its a pup....if you scaled it up to 1:1 it would be so wrong it would make you laugh.
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