Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

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Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

Post by Nardu » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:20 am

I've recently encountered a car which I was not fully aware of. It looks like a 934 with aerodynamic pieces (mainly the huge wing at the back) of a 935.

Can anyone shed some light on its racing history? If any? And more importantly... is there one in 1/43? :twisted:

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Re: Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

Post by scalainj » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:40 am

There is a Kyosho 1/43 out there with the big wing

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kyosho-Corret ... 2a1e98aeb6

As to its racing history - no idea i'm afraid
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Re: Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

Post by Nardu » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:25 am

That's the only thing I could find as well.... interesting.....

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Post by guitardave_1 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:31 pm

The very earliest 935 resembled the 934, before the slant nose came in. It didn't stay that way for long. Will look up the history later. I also hadn't seen it until recently, and when I checked there was no decent model. One has been announced however. I forget who by.
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Post by philsaunders » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:55 pm

That would be the Martini 935/76 from Zolder, before they slanted the nose and while they were still using the RSR rear end. Spark is releasing it the end of August, go back a page or two on the Spark thread for the release pic.
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Post by guitardave_1 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:59 am

philsaunders wrote:That would be the Martini 935/76 from Zolder, before they slanted the nose and while they were still using the RSR rear end. Spark is releasing it the end of August, go back a page or two on the Spark thread for the release pic.
That's what I was trying to say. Thanks Phil! I want to say it also raced at Silverstone, but would have to check.
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Post by Nardu » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:29 am

Found it!
philsaunders wrote:Looks like this one is due late August.

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Thanks loads guys. Never had a clue this existed..... and on the list it goes. :lol:

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Post by philsaunders » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:11 pm

Actually I have to correct myself, it's the car from Vallelunga rather than Zolder, obviously, a stop in the FIA Sports Car Championship circuit, not the DTM. Really looking forward to it myself, as I just picked up the Mugello 935/76 which has the slope nose but still the RSR rear, a nice "missing link" in the development of the Le Mans entry we know and love.
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Post by Nardu » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:34 am

Have to say that I beginning to like the 935 variant more and more these days. The various cars really evolve during the years, however it is not a complete over haul from one spec to another, but a genuine natural evolution. I kind of like that.

Speaking of evolution, I found this shot on the internet, thought it might interest you

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Source: http://www.forum-auto.com/automobile-pr ... 36-175.htm

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Post by guitardave_1 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:53 pm

The 935 has taken a good while to grow on me too. Some versions I'm still not quite sure about! I do like the early pre-slant nose car.
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Post by philsaunders » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:38 am

BTW just checked Dave, and it looks like it shows up in both slope and non-slope nose configuration at Silverstone. Don't know if they swapped it out after practice or what. Racingsportscars.com shows pics of both but doesn't specify which way it raced. There is also a Kremer K1 variant that looks like the Vallelunga car with traditional fenders, and another customer car that looks the same but is designated a 934/5, probably an upgraded 934 chassis.

Even more interesting is this pic:http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1 ... 3-040b.jpg showing the car (presumably in testing) at Le Mans without the slope nose but with the fully box-faired rear end!! Never seen that before.
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Post by philsaunders » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:42 am

Nice poster, Nardu, looks like the non-factory evolution of the 935, and it certainly had a long life after the factory abandoned it. For the factory evolution there is this similar poster showing the Martini cars:

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Re: Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

Post by Nardu » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:59 am

Poster not showing up :(

But I think I know which poster you're talking about. The Moby Dick is the largest car on it right? It's from where I noticed the 935/76 early version. Didn't know about it before!

It is becoming an inspiration to my collection as well - my wife got me a mug with that poster printed on it. Already got two [baby and moby dick] of them, just purchased another one yesterday evening [935/77] and a couple of them on tip of my wishlist. I guess she'll be kicking herself soon :lol:

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Post by philsaunders » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:38 am

Nardu wrote:Poster not showing up :(

But I think I know which poster you're talking about. The Moby Dick is the largest car on it right? It's from where I noticed the 935/76 early version. Didn't know about it before!

It is becoming an inspiration to my collection as well - my wife got me a mug with that poster printed on it. Already got two [baby and moby dick] of them, just purchased another one yesterday evening [935/77] and a couple of them on tip of my wishlist. I guess she'll be kicking herself soon :lol:
Yup, that's the poster. Odd that it doesn't show up for you, I see it here. Only one of them I wasn't planning to pick up is the 935/77 since I have the Baby and they're so similar apart from the headlight treatment. I only have the Vallelunga 935/76 to go, so as of August (fingers crossed, Spark!) I should have the evolution complete.
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Re: Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

Post by Nardu » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:34 am

Yup, I was considering to not get the 935/77 in fact. But I saw a few photos and comparison shots and there are a few differences. From a distance they're identical though.

Got it cause it was at a reasonable price..... and Italy lost really badly yesterday. Had to blow off some steam :oops:

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Post by guitardave_1 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:59 pm

philsaunders wrote:BTW just checked Dave, and it looks like it shows up in both slope and non-slope nose configuration at Silverstone. Don't know if they swapped it out after practice or what. Racingsportscars.com shows pics of both but doesn't specify which way it raced. There is also a Kremer K1 variant that looks like the Vallelunga car with traditional fenders, and another customer car that looks the same but is designated a 934/5, probably an upgraded 934 chassis.

Even more interesting is this pic:http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1 ... 3-040b.jpg showing the car (presumably in testing) at Le Mans without the slope nose but with the fully box-faired rear end!! Never seen that before.
It doesn't get any less confusing! If it was at Silverstone, I'm sure it raced without the slope. The picture I recall in my head was definitely of the cars accelerating away from the start line.
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Re: Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

Post by Nardu » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:38 am

Phil, I just got the 935/77 and had a good look at it. It is similar to the Baby but its a completely different car. Many details are different and it feels like a completely different casting too.

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Post by philsaunders » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:32 pm

Nardu wrote:Phil, I just got the 935/77 and had a good look at it. It is similar to the Baby but its a completely different car. Many details are different and it feels like a completely different casting too.
Now you're going to make me spend money again!! It's back on my list now. If I can find one for a good price...

Put up some comparison pics if you get the chance.
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Re: Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

Post by Nardu » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:54 pm

:twisted:

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Post by philsaunders » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:22 pm

Really interested in finding out what that first one in the poster is. I'm guessing it's a Kremer K1, but from what race? I've been digging and haven't found any reference out there. Would love to have all the Kremer 935 evolutions in Jäger colors. BTW anyone know if the Jäger 935/76 is a K2, or just a factory supplied 935? If so, what was the K2?
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Post by Nardu » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:06 pm

It's really difficult to differentiate between the various forms the car took over that period. This is the closest one I could find, car number 16.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/N ... 05-29.html

But it's not listed as a 935

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Re: Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

Post by philsaunders » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:37 pm

Yeah, looks like an RSR with a 934 front spoiler and 935 rear wing. Plus Max Moritz didn't run the Kremer cars, the Kremer team reserved them for themselves :) Note that the Kremer K1 in this race already has the slopenose. I think if we were to look for a 935 K1 in Jäger colors with the traditional nose it would have to be in '76 while they were still working out the nose.

It is of course possible that the artist just painted in an RSR.
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Re: Porsche 934/935 in 1/43

Post by splonker » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:16 pm

Very interesting thread. The slope nose was the first 935/76 to race, at Mugello in March 1976. Porsche had found a loophole in the regs allowing headlights to be removed. The race stewards were not happy with what Porsche had done and there was a 3 hour argument before the factory 935 and Kremer K1 were allowed to take part. They finished 1st and 2nd
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The Kremer K1 was built around a factory chassis with a few ideas [notably rear bodywork] of their own. Note the slant nose.
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The issue went to the FIA for them to decide, and in the meantime Porsche made the 911 look alike front and took both types to race meetings. If the stewards were unhappy with the slope front the 911 front went on for racing. Kremer had also reverted to this look, for Vallelunga in April and Silverstone in May and it looked the car in the top left of the above poster. The factory car won at Vallelunga again driven by Ickx and Mass.
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By now the FIA were unhappy with the rear engine cover and wanted the standard 930 road whale tail to be able fit the 935 even though big wing extensions were legal. Porsche spent 1/2 million D Mark and had to design a water cooled intercooler to make it fit. However the front was cleared, mainly because the factory were offering road 911 Turbos with slant nose fronts and pop up headlights, as was the new boxed in rear so at Le Mans the car appeared thus.
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It finished 4th in the hands of Stommelen and Schurti. This was also the look for Watkins Glen and Dijon. Note the front is modified from that of Mugello.

The 934/5 that I know raced in the USA under the SCCA banner early in 1976 and had standard 934 front and 935 boxed rears
such as this.
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For 1977 the factory bought out their 935/77
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Which was different to the customer 935/77A that were based on the 935/76. This is a later 1979 incarnation.
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Kremer had modified their K1 to K2 standard using some of the factory 935/77 parts and it apeared thus.
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Hope this does not confuse everyone too much, and this is how I understand things to be.
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