The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

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The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby Scazza69 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:31 pm

Hi all, I am new to the forum and very pleased to have joined. I wanted to start by canvassing opinion on the new Vanguards Escort RS Mexico model as I know a couple of you have commented in other posts on this subject.

I think Vanguards have being turning out some excellent stuff lately but some of the models are being let down by detailing issues. In the case of the RS Mexico it is the wheels that in my opinion are too big and not the correct RS 4 spoke design that was an option of the car in reality. In fact it came with 13 x 5.5 inch steels a la RS1800. I am actually in an email debate with Corgi/VG about this at the moment as they have told me that althought they agree with me that the wheel size is wrong, on such a small scale it is too small to notice (Really!!??) and hence not financially viable to get the tooling exactly right! My argument back was why then did they get it right with the Mk1 Mexico (correct size steel wheel) and the Ford Capri Mk3 S (correct size and design RS 4 spoke wheel).

They didnt have to re-tool at all!! Jeez if minichamps can get it right and use the same wheel across various models (see RS2000 and RS1800 Rally) then surely VG can, if only to save money and make production more economical. This cannot be that hard to get right, and as we all know the devil is in the detail.

Anyway, to prove a point I bought a Mk1 Mex cop car cheap for its wheels and did the swap and guess what. We have the model they should have given us in the first place!

Let's hope they can get the upcoming (June 2013) Escort Harrier correct. The pre prod shots don't bode well but I have let them know my suggestions

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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby scalainj » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:59 pm

Honestly, the wheels are a little big but i'm not really bothered. It's a nice model and not a car i know really well so i let it pass. It's less than £20 and looks nice on the shelf.

That aside, if they have the right wheel tooling and size already then it seems a touch daft not to use it.
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Postby jinx » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:23 pm

scalainj wrote:Honestly, the wheels are a little big but i'm not really bothered. It's a nice model and not a car i know really well so i let it pass. It's less than £20 and looks nice on the shelf.

That aside, if they have the right wheel tooling and size already then it seems a touch daft not to use it.


Andy, the wheel issue is the reason I can't bring myself to buy one - I'm therefore trying to track down a Trofeu. The suggestion to do a wheel swap might well be cheaper!

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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby scalainj » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:54 pm

Understand that Steve. If it were a Quattro one suspects i would sing a different tune.
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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby Scazza69 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:46 pm

Here is my modified version, thanks to a donor car that cost me £8.99 (bargain)

I think you will agree, a vast improvement and faithful to the real thing.

The good thing about the Mk1 VG Escort RS, Mex and 1300E is that they actually managed to do a great job of reproducing the steel RS wheels. Minichamps have done the best job IMHO with the RS1800 road car but I wasnt about to rip one of those apart. Personally I think the tyres could be a little fatter, but thats something that can be rectified in the future.

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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby splonker » Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:36 pm

Great, looks much better with the RS wheels.
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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby Galaxy Gaz » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:17 am

Even though the Ronal 4 spoke alloys look slightly big on the Vanguards model, imo they look way better than the basic steel wheels that the Mexico came with .

The Vanguards casting looks nicer than the Trofeu version too
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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby Scazza69 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:54 am

Sir Gary wrote:Even though the Ronal 4 spoke alloys look slightly big on the Vanguards model, imo they look way better than the basic steel wheels that the Mexico came with .

The Vanguards casting looks nicer than the Trofeu version too


I understand what you are saying, but my point is VG's have managed with other models to get details like this correct. Liking one style of wheel over another is subjective, but these are supposed to be a true representation of a classic car and out of the many excellent models Vanguards have turned out one could argue this particular model is one of the most significant and hence important to get right. They could have still issued the model with RS alloys as in the Capri below, at least they would have been the right scale and proportion to the model.

I happen to think the original Mk2 RS Mexico with wide rim steels looks great and is how blue oval intended back in the day, hence me attempting to make one of mine a truer representation of the original.

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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby scalainj » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:02 am

According to the latest Vanguards Collectors Club magazine (free model with every subscription - each year 8-) ) this model is based on a real club members car as it is now, not when it was original. Perhaps that is the reason behind the over size wheels
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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby Scazza69 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:32 pm

scalainj wrote:According to the latest Vanguards Collectors Club magazine (free model with every subscription - each year 8-) ) this model is based on a real club members car as it is now, not when it was original. Perhaps that is the reason behind the over size wheels


Yes, the real car has 13 x 6 Minilites. So not RS wheels at all. But I am sticking with my argument re the accuracy of the original factory spec 8-)

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Postby IFHP » Wed May 18, 2016 12:51 am

Scazza,

I agree with you, as factory correctness is very important to me. Which is why the practice of reproducing actual cars (which may have been modified) is a flawed practice in book. I like your idea about changing out the wheels, I may do that to mine too.

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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby Galaxy Gaz » Wed May 18, 2016 3:21 am

Scazza69 wrote:I think Vanguards have being turning out some excellent stuff lately but some of the models are being let down by detailing issues. In the case of the RS Mexico it is the wheels that in my opinion are too big and not the correct RS 4 spoke design that was an option of the car in reality. In fact it came with 13 x 5.5 inch steels a la RS1800.
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Just re-read your post and felt I need to add to it .

The Mk2 Mexico did come from the factory with 5.5 x 13 inch steel wheels and also with the option of 6x13 Ronal 4 spoke alloys , so whilst the wheels on the Vanguards car are slightly oversize looking on the model , the style of wheel is correct .
The Escort RS 4 spokes and the Capri 4 spokes looked identical in every way apart from one difference . The wheel nuts on all Capri 4 Spoke alloys have a 60 degree tapered washer on them where they bolt up to the wheel face but genuine Escort RS 4 spokes are flat and have a flat washer where they bolt onto the wheel . That is the only way you can tell them apart .

There was a slightly different style RS 4 spoke alloy available in a 5.5 x 13 inch alloy which had flatter and wider spokes and was only available on the Escort RS 2000 Mk1.

Being pedantic here I know , but the wheels you've fitted to your Vanguards Mexico are still incorrect as all Mexicos with steelies should have black centre caps with an RS logo on them . At a guess , It looks like you've used the steelies from a 1300E Mk1 for your wheel swap which have the added trim rings fitted....something no self respecting Mexico owner would ever fit
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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby GBOAC002 » Wed May 18, 2016 4:14 am

Interesting comments but original posts now around 4 years old so I wonder if our subscriber is still around to benefit from latest discussion?

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Re: The RS Mexico Vanguards should have given us.....

Postby Jager » Wed May 18, 2016 5:54 am

GBOAC002 wrote:Interesting comments but original posts now around 4 years old so I wonder if our subscriber is still around to benefit from latest discussion?


Unlikely...he last logged on in 2013, so unless he occasionally lurks here without logging on, he may be gone.
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