Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by LM24HRS » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:57 pm

This is just perfection, what engineering. Enjoying it so far Jean. The end result/s are going to a pleasure to the eyes I'm sure.
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jager » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:16 pm

An amazing amount of work to get the proportions 'just right'. Congratulations on the the result so far.
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:55 am

Tom wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:29 pm
As usual, very creative use of technology and materials to achieve a perfect result.
Well, all the stuff which can be found in a cellar... :D And if the result won't be perfect, let's hope that it will at least be quite nice :)
LUW wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:47 pm
As expected, things are coming out great.
I still cannot believe that there is really only one single photo of the original car! This C27 was spectacular when it debuted in 1934, and the Voisin Classic website says that the car was in use until 1951 - o.k., they had no mobile phone cams, but anyone should have taken a couple of photos of this extraordinary car... :roll:
LM24HRS wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:57 pm
This is just perfection, what engineering. Enjoying it so far Jean. The end result/s are going to a pleasure to the eyes I'm sure.
Thanks for your encouragement! This will help me through the hard times of this build... :)
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Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:16 pm
An amazing amount of work to get the proportions 'just right'. Congratulations on the the result so far.
Thank you! I wish the master-maker of those models would have done this job before... :roll:

It took almost all day long to scribe the door gaps into the body, terrible work! The diecast is extremely hard and slippery, you hardly can go with anything into the material, even a steel needle fails... Furthermore the top edge is only very narrow and goes over in putty, so there's no "flesh" to work with. However, I've made it anyhow, and here's the result:

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And as a kind of recompensation, I took a piece of scrap metal and made a first test for making the sliding roof:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by LUW » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:07 pm

That will look great!
And about the photos of the real thing, more than likely there are photos of the car, but probably not labed correctly, so who ever has them don't know what they have.
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:42 pm

LUW wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:07 pm
That will look great! And about the photos of the real thing, more than likely there are photos of the car, but probably not labed correctly, so who ever has them don't know what they have.
Well, I already searched after all possible descriptions, like "C27", "Voisin Ski" (the first idea for a name for the Coupé), "Voisin Coupé", "André Noel" (the designer)... without any success :( Thus I will have to be creative and imagine how all the details should look like... :)

What's new? To avoid gaps between the the wheel houses of upper and lower halves I filled them up with putty:

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The original interior shell has a funny kind of "trunk" behind the seats, this looks rather weird and so I'll make a completely new floor with some space for luggage:

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The seats are a sort of Siamese twins, first I filled the bottom side with putty:

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Smoothened that and divided the seats:

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And now we have nice and tiny single seats:

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A wheel master is made with slightly differring sides front...

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... and reverse side, this allows to choose the appropriate diameter of the hubcaps:

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And now I have to design dozens of p/e parts:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:47 pm

That interior is a proper improvement. Looking forward to the final result.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:11 pm

Tom wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:47 pm
That interior is a proper improvement. Looking forward to the final result.
Quite a change regarding your avatar picture :shock: - Most difficult will be to cover the complete interior with the "cloth" resp. the decal paper... I've never done such thing before, we will see how this turns out :)

I've continued to design p/e parts, especially the ones I need first for finishing the bodywork. Here's the design for the roof...

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...but I won't make a window in the sliding roof. On the vintage photo you can recognize that there is only a small rear window positioned quite low. A roof window that should meet this rear window - according to the C25 Aérodyne - should be positioned quite to the rear end of the sliding roof, this would look strange, I guess. The Épokit has no roof window, too, and so I will give up this feature (and will do it with the Aérodyne... :D ):

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P/e films and tin sheets are ready, this will be the work for tomorrow:

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(To make the most of the metal sheet, I also make some spoke wheels for the already started Alvis.)

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:20 pm

I've seen quite a few of your PE sheets already, so I have some practice 'reading' them. This looks great, looking forward to the louvres for instance.

As for the avatar, the old one was deleted by tinypic but I've noticed that flickr does avatar size too. Perhaps I'll change avatars more frequently now.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jager » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:15 pm

i'm looking forward to seeing the development of the roof. Will it actually be able to slide, or will it be fixed ?
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:08 pm

Tom wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:20 pm
I've seen quite a few of your PE sheets already, so I have some practice 'reading' them. This looks great, looking forward to the louvres for instance. As for the avatar, the old one was deleted by tinypic but I've noticed that flickr does avatar size too. Perhaps I'll change avatars more frequently now.
Well, there's quite a difference between your last and your new avatar, let's see more :P - And for the louvres, please see below...
Jager wrote:
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i'm looking forward to seeing the development of the roof. Will it actually be able to slide, or will it be fixed ?
It will be able to slide, of course... 8-)

Yesterday I wanted to start photo-etching, and being clumsy as usual, I broke the heater in-two... :evil:

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For the instance, there was no alternative than visiting the next tool store with a pet-department and buying a normal aquarium heater. Unfortunately they only reach temperatures of 36 °C (is there really no fish demanding higher temperatures???), and this is ten degrees less than necessary... :roll: I tried - however - to work with, but the 0.2mm sheet needed 70 (!) instead of 20 minutes...:

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...and the 0.5mm sheet (with the roof parts) was completely messed up - quite expensive scrap:

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Luckily I found a new heater on the www, and that was not easy, as the manufacturer of the etching-device has such heaters not in stock, and obviously there's hardly any demand for such items... So I have to wait some further days to continue etching... :)

The 0.2mm parts are very nice, and the louvers are now at their position:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:19 pm

Looks fantastic!
Shame about the heater...

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jager » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:40 am

Your louvres always lift the quality of your creations Jean. Looks good.
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:23 pm

Tom wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:19 pm
Looks fantastic! Shame about the heater...
Thanks! I guess most of the 0.2mm parts are quite perfect and can be used :) I hope that the heater arrives soon so that I can resume with etching. And if this item really is the correct type, I will probably buy two more to be equipped for the future... :roll:
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Your louvres always lift the quality of your creations Jean. Looks good.
Thank you! Making the louvres with p/e, you can tune the shape exactly to the correct dimensions, and you can - for example - make the correct number of slots, which is mostly not the case with the original models...

Today I continued with designing the p/e parts:

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from the top: "bottom surrounding strips", strips for the running boards, licence plates, holder for rear licence plate, tail lights, trunk handle, VOISIN plate for trunk, headlight lenses, hood latch (left always the rear side, on the right the front side of the parts)

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:42 pm

The profile thread for the tire is casted in resin...

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...and glued around the tire master:

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Parts for the hood mascot:

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p/e parts speared on two 0.25mm needles:

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To secure the parts applying some glue:

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Ready:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:48 pm

Pure work of art.Fantastic.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by reeft1 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:18 pm

I can barely see the tweezers, let alone the mascot. Do you wear one of those diamond inspection eye glasses?

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Post by LUW » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:15 pm

Holy mercaptans, Batman! :shock:
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jager » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 pm

What's next Jean.....valve stems for the tyres. Great work as always :D
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:25 pm

Tom wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:48 pm
Pure work of art.Fantastic.
When I was in Geneva, many years ago, I visited the Automobile Museum near the Palexpo exhibition area, and there I saw the unbelievable Voisin mascot for the first time in my life on a C25 Aérodyne. Since then I'm stunned by that item for its "technicism", all parts cut out from thick sheet metal and riveted together :shock: Finally I can repeat that by myself - in 1/43 :)
reeft1 wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:18 pm
I can barely see the tweezers, let alone the mascot. Do you wear one of those diamond inspection eye glasses?
To be honest: I cannot see very well with magnifying glasses, so I usually make those works only with my "real" eyes - and "by hearing" :D
LUW wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:15 pm
Holy mercaptans, Batman! :shock:
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Jager wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 pm
What's next Jean.....valve stems for the tyres. Great work as always :D
Valves? Great idea! But first I have to make innertubes for the tires, I guess :lol:

A first impression of the hubcaps:

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Cross your fingers that photo-etching will work this time :) :

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The new heater has already arrived and works :P :

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:30 pm

Wheel trim looks great. Looking forward to the rest.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by CDM » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:17 pm

The Voisin mascot, now tyre tread I cant cope!!!

Excellent skills

What next..?

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:07 pm

Tom wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:30 pm
Wheel trim looks great. Looking forward to the rest.
I tried a "green" silicone polisher for the motor device for the first time, this results in a mirror shine :shock: And the rest? Well, this will take some time, I guess...
CDM wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:17 pm
The Voisin mascot, now tyre tread I cant cope!!! Excellent skills What next..? Chris
Always searching for new challenges, that's why I'm model-building :P The variety of materials and requirements seem to be endless... And life is so much easier with a photo-etching device!

Finally, the first p/e sheets are ready (even some more will follow...):

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The inside floor:

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The roof parts from outside...:

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....and inside:

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...to be punched in a cylindric shape:

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Works:

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The completed tire master:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:15 pm

That roof! :shock:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by gilma » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:38 am

Very interesting model shape.Beautiful work Jean and a great progress 8-)

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