Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:23 pm

Tom wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:09 am
With every build you have to raise the bar, eh? :lol:

The third one's pretty bad, those louvres look awful. Looking forward to your version 2.0.
I guess three at a time will be the maximum :roll: Don't know if I will get them ready before Christmas...

Same procedure as every time, first taking a hot bath:

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... and then stripping off the paint:

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Important: marking all parts for not getting confused with the three types:

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Worst case: the edge around the rear wing is not casted (same problem which I had with the radiator shell) :o :

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Applying polyester putty:

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Using the p/e spat as a template and marking the outline:

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Filed into shape (sorry for blurry photo):

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Finished:

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Assisting parts for mounting the spat:

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Not yet mounted, but it looks as if everything would work :) :

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These works took about four hours... :roll:

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:28 pm

I can imagine that. Worst of all, without these pictures nobody would ever know...

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:17 pm

Tom wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:28 pm
I can imagine that. Worst of all, without these pictures nobody would ever know...
...no, it's not worst of all, the really worst of all follows later... :roll:

For that you don't think I wouldn't work all the time, two new photos, although hardly anything can be seen on them. I'm busy with scribing all the lines and joints for doors, vents and so on, honing, grinding, filing, sanding the body parts to achieve a smooth surface. And that's really hard work, as the casting of this Western Models series is quite bad and it's not easy to improve all the issues. For the first of the three, the "open" Stelvio, I'm almost through:

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To be continued...

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:33 pm

Another issue that's not easy to correct but can really affect the appearance of the end result. After seeing your work, I feel less confident to tackle my unbuilt kits...

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jager » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:01 am

Jean B. wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:23 pm

These works took about four hours... :roll:
I can't imagine the patience to do that for 4 hours :shock: . You've obviously had years of training.
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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:14 pm

Tom wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:33 pm
Another issue that's not easy to correct but can really affect the appearance of the end result. After seeing your work, I feel less confident to tackle my unbuilt kits...
Come on, simply grab your kits and start working :D ! Follow my step-by-step instructions and everything will be fine... :P - Of course you're right, it's a terrible, hard work... :roll:
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I can't imagine the patience to do that for 4 hours :shock: . You've obviously had years of training.
Patience, years of training - and a bottle of Scotch... :lol:

The casting of the second one is better than that of the first, but still it is a matter of despair! The surfaces are terribly rough, the side-walls extremely thin, all the lines very untidy - and it's so difficult to scribe all the lines into the white-metal, as the material is so soft and slippery that you can hardly pull the needle two times in the same line... :roll: So there's unfortunately not very much to see:

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The windshield frame was broken at one of the models, and so it's perfect to take this one for the "open" version, and the other one for the "closed" Stelvio:

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:20 pm

I suspect that consuming said bottle of scotch will not do much for your modelling skills... :lol:
Your panel scribing skill suggests that you haven't been enjoying it yet.

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:22 pm

Tom wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:20 pm
I suspect that consuming said bottle of scotch will not do much for your modelling skills... :lol: Your panel scribing skill suggests that you haven't been enjoying it yet.
Terrible work, and no end in sight... :roll: Don't know, but this time this work is really bothering!

However, works must go on, and I'm still busy with honing the big parts:

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The closed roof has a very strange shape: It seems as if one of the "ribs" is missing, at least there is only one single Stelvio with a roof like that - and this particular picture is taken somewhen in Australia in the 1960s, so the roof indeed might have been disformed by any circumstances.

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First cutting a slot into the roof:

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Then placing a piece of metal sheet into the slot:

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...and applying putty in several layers, bringing everything in shape:

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This roof also isn't absolutely correct, but meets most of the Stelvios much better (indeed there were different roof shapes and at least two different shapes of the side windows with this car):

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A template for the interior door panels (and side windows) is made:

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Applying polyester putty:

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...for getting a smooth surface for the future p/e door panel:

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:00 pm

Huge improvement on the soft top shape.

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:20 pm

Tom wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:00 pm
Huge improvement on the soft top shape.
Meanwhile I have improved the shape again, according to original photos. Lots of work to achieve a quite authentic model... :)

After having made lots of finishing works on the two Stelvios, I now continue with the Ventoux:

The filet is much too big, so I make a template with BMF from the Stelvio:

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Sticking the BMF onto 0.5mm polystyrene sheet:

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Cutting this out and fixing on the body:

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Filling the necessary areas with polyester putty:

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Removing the template:

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Finishing the surface:

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The result is not yet perfect, but it's a good start, isn't it :) ?

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:28 pm

I'd be more than happy to achieve this. Glad you aren't. :D

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:26 pm

Tom wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:28 pm
I'd be more than happy to achieve this. Glad you aren't. :D
Meanwhile I'm used to work with magnifying glasses. On one hand it's much more comfortable, on the other hand you thus see so many issues and blemishes that you're going mad... :roll:

Meanwhile the "hard works" on the body parts are finished. All general shaping is made, all lines & joints scribed into the metal, and the bottom line of the upper part made matching to the lower part:

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:21 pm

You did an amazing job there.

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by gilma » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:26 pm

Great to see the new baby, the more the merrier 8-)

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:30 pm

Tom wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:21 pm
You did an amazing job there.
Thanks :P ! But we will have to wait for the first coating with primer, then we'll know how good I've done my job... :)

Nearly all T57 Ventoux' had sun-roofs - at least I haven't found any without... So I think I want to have this feature for my Western Model, too. First cutting a rectangle into the roof:

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PLOPP:

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Taking some 0.1mm nickle-silver sheet from the scrap-box and punching to a spheric shape:

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Glueing to the cut out rectangle:

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Fits:

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Crumbling another piece of sheet metal makes a nice "opened" sun-roof:

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:39 pm

Love that open sunroof!

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by reeft1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:03 pm

So clever

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jager » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:50 pm

You’ve been really busy since the last time I liked in here Jean. Love what you did to re-align the “filet” and the folded sunroof is a work of art.
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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:41 pm

gilma wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:26 pm
Great to see the new baby, the more the merrier 8-)
Well, then stay tuned, this seems to become the biggest project I've made so far... :)
Tom wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:39 pm
Love that open sunroof!
It's nice, isn't it? It's a shame that all the manufacturers only offer one type of roof for their models :? Last time, when I built the Alvis 4.3, I asked J&M Classics whether they were so kind to supply an open roof additionally to the closed one (I offered to pay for it, of course), and they didn't even answer my request. So I'll keep up with DIY :P
reeft1 wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:03 pm
So clever
I hope that I'm clever enough to airbrush the folded roof... :)
Jager wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:50 pm
You’ve been really busy since the last time I liked in here Jean. Love what you did to re-align the “filet” and the folded sunroof is a work of art.
Thank you! You won't believe, but the folded sunroof is the result of "don't know what to do"! I simply took a piece of metal, trying to wrinkle it anyhow without any plan, and suddenly it was finished! Even in the exact right width, although I haven't measured it before... :mrgreen:

Today some tricky work: The side walls of the models are mostly curved, but to install interior door panels with glass window panes, I need absolutely even surfaces. The Ventoux has furthermore thick surroundings between windows and roof, probably to make the model more solid:

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First reducing the material all around the windows:

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Then covering the same template which I used for scribing the outline of the door, spreading putty on it, and then pressing to the body. Removing the template you have the perfect underground for p/e door panels and glass windows:

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Here I press the template against the dried putty, and you see no gap:

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:45 pm

Very clever!

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:34 pm

Tom wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:45 pm
Very clever!
I'm doing my best :P !

Today the louvres were attached:

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Indeed the Ventoux had 20 louvres, the Stelvio 16 which were a little bit wider...

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:34 pm

That looks sooo much better. Details like that really improve the looks of the model.

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:27 pm

Tom wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:34 pm
That looks sooo much better. Details like that really improve the looks of the model.
This time I also plan to black-wash the louvres after painting. I've bought some stuff by Tamiya, let's see how it will turn out... :)

Today a new film for photo-etching was made:

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Main parts are the side-wall profiles for the tire which I can then cast in resin, the spats for the rear wheels (necessery for priming the whole body) - and the newly made parts for the radiator, which I still plan to cast in white-metal!

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Re: Bugatti Stelvio + Ventoux by Western Models

Post by Tom » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:34 pm

That looks good. Looking forward to your creative solution for the grill casting problem.

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