Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by reeft1 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:09 am

Roof needs a little more softening- look at me criticising when i can barely build an Airfix model :D

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:30 pm

Tom wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:08 pm
Starting to look good already. Looking forward to you making this look like an actual soft top.
reeft1 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:09 am
Roof needs a little more softening- look at me criticising when i can barely build an Airfix model :D
I realize, I cannot cheat on you ;) It's quite difficult to convert a geometric design into something "soft", but I've tried my best to improve the look of the roof. I'm sure the rest will be done with the paintwork:

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Please pay attention to the pleats on the corners, the bottom edge is slightly bent outwards.

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The fixing holes for the headlight-rod are made.

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And the first of the tyres is successfully casted! :P

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Tom » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:10 pm

Very impressive work on the soft top and those wheels look great!

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by reeft1 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:20 am

Very noticeable improvement on the soft top

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:39 pm

Tom wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:10 pm
Very impressive work on the soft top and those wheels look great!
Thanks! I'm really satisfied with the wheels, too. This turn should bring the decision whether to make wheels of resin or of metal in the future, and I guess I have now to place the order for one ton of detail-metal :D
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:20 am
Very noticeable improvement on the soft top
Having gotten your kind approval, I'm going ahead with the other works on this car :P

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I've made new hubcaps and galvanized them with nickle. In front the former finish, which is rather gray, behind the nickle-plated hubcaps which are much whiter & brighter.

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For better proportions I had to re-locate the horizontal rod a little backwards.

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The rear bench shows a very poor finish...

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Finding the correct position first.

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To the right: the newly shaped side.

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Ready.

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The tonneau should be used alternating to the soft top and needs a different fastening.

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Three little noses around the cut-out hold the tonneau in position.

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Fits!

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Tom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:02 pm

And it fits like a glove! Your mastery of metal stands out.

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:28 pm

Tom wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:02 pm
And it fits like a glove! Your mastery of metal stands out.
Thanks for your compliments! I always have to remember this when the big mess is happening... :roll: So today, when the beltline popped off the body due to the much too high tension of this p/e part. I couldn't take it off completely because one half was fixed tightly, and the other half had now to be soldered invisible. It was terrible! However, I guess I made it anyhow:

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Some very slight finishing, and then I hope I can proceed...

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Holders for the spares.

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The original front seats (behind) are too wide (due to my newly made interior door panels), and as they look a little bit crude, anyway, I decided to take the narrower and nicer seats of the Ixo Hispano and cast them in metal.

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Tom » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:47 pm

You managed to fix that nicely. I hope that it will stay put forever now... the seats look great.

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Alex_W » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:45 pm

Looking good so far! I really like the soft top.

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:04 pm

Tom wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:47 pm
You managed to fix that nicely. I hope that it will stay put forever now... the seats look great.
Well, that was one of that "moments of desaster", when you simply don't know what to do :o At least this happened now, and not when the model is completely finished :)
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Looking good so far! I really like the soft top.
Thanks, happy to hearing that! It's my first attempt to make such a roof, I think there are some more models in my collection to get such a soft top, we'll see... :P

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Today's result of photo-etching: window frames and interior door panels. I decided to make "half-down" windows as they would collide with the soft top, otherwise.

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Side panels for the rear compartment fixed.

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The new, metal-casted Ixo seats, trimmed for the Western Model.

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Works! :D

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Tom » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:39 am

Interior looks great now!

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:49 pm

Tom wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:39 am
Interior looks great now!
Thanks! For those purposes modern model cars like that of Ixo are very helpful: although the models are "China-ware", the single components are nicely made and enhance some of those old models quite well... ;) Although you need endless amounts of red silicone to make all the necessary moulds!

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The front seats got a keder surrounding the back.

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The headlight unit was broken, anyway, so I took one of the headlights and casted it in resin...

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...to shape it in a way for casting it in metal.

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All parts ready for priming...

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...and having done so :P

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Tom » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:01 pm

I'd probably still be fixing lots of imperfections by this stage, you've managed to sort out everything as you went. The best way to do it, much better final result.

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by reeft1 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:48 pm

Very impressive

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:08 pm

Tom wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:01 pm
I'd probably still be fixing lots of imperfections by this stage, you've managed to sort out everything as you went. The best way to do it, much better final result.
Well, I really thought that all that work would begin after the first coating with primer, but you're right: I'm surprised myself that there is hardly anything left to do! Seems as if I were better than I thought... :)
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Very impressive
Thank you :P ! But first of all it's an impressive car! Despite the rather conservative design of this Saoutchik coachwork, the Hispano T68bis had a 11.5 litre 12-cylinder :o ! The chassis was described in the 1930s as one of the most rigid, silent and easy-to-drive of all luxury brands. And imagine that of this fantastic car only 135 were made within eight years... incredible!

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Seems as if all measurements for the headlights are correct...

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There were indeed only very few blemishes to make-over, thanks god :)

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A first impression of the matte-painted soft top.

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There's always something left-over... :roll:

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Tom » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:48 pm

Impressively smooth result and I love the soft top.

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:09 pm

Tom wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:48 pm
Impressively smooth result and I love the soft top.
It's always a nice reward seeing that all the toil is worth it :) ! And the soft top is getting "soft", slowly... ;)

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Adding some colour: soft top is getting a light beige or tan.

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Interior is getting a dark reddish brown.

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And - big surprise - the tyres are sprayed black :D

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Post by Tom » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:49 pm

Like the colour choices, especially for the wheels. :lol:

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:14 pm

Tom wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:49 pm
Like the colour choices, especially for the wheels. :lol:
... I knew that :D Have a look below how everything will go on...

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Step by step some components are ready, the chassis...

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... and the passenger compartment.

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The colour foundation is ready: a very light and decent silk-gray.

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But that's not all! Finally a pearlescent varnish will turn this colour into a fishsilver beige.

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Tom » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:59 pm

Very nice! I pictured this in gold as in the pics of the 1:1 but this will look great too.

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jager » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:07 pm

As always, its a treat seeing this come together. The silk grey looks good, though I was expecting it might be two toned like some of the cars shown on the 1st page.
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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:04 pm

Tom wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:59 pm
Very nice! I pictured this in gold as in the pics of the 1:1 but this will look great too.
Do you have further photos :?: I think there's only the one vintage photo I posted, and the car looks "white" on it. But thinking of the fact that the photo was taken at noon we can assume that the contrast seems much harder than in reality. The post-war photo shows a light-tanned soft top, and it's likely that this is still the original hood of 1935. As the paint shows the same grade of "lightness" as the hood, I suppose that the car was not plain white, but could have had a light hue of any colour. A year earlier Delage presented a D8 roadster by Gaston Grümmer which won a special prize for the extravagant paintwork in "matière de perle synthétique", so I have the fantasy that the Hispano was a kind of "answer" to this car, showing a light pearlescent paintwork, too. That's my explanation for this decision :)
Jager wrote:
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As always, its a treat seeing this come together. The silk grey looks good, though I was expecting it might be two toned like some of the cars shown on the 1st page.
Well, the other cars were two- (or even three!) toned, but this one seems to have been painted in a solid colour. And I always try to catch the very first condition of a car, as far as possible. But don't be sad: I'll make many other cars with flamboyant combinations, I promise ;)

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The first coating with clear lacquer was made. And don't worry, it's only the bad lighting which makes it so yellowish... :oops:

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I decided to make the radiator grille with the same complication as I did for my Bugatti T57's. I'm sure the Western Model gives a good basis for conversions into further Hispano roadsters, and then it's worth it to undertake such effort... :)

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Tom » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:06 pm

I must've confused this with a previous project... never mind, looking forward to pictures under 'neutral' light. The paint quality looks great!

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Re: Hispano Suiza J12 Saoutchik by Western Models

Post by Jean B. » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:30 pm

Tom wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:06 pm
I must've confused this with a previous project... never mind, looking forward to pictures under 'neutral' light. The paint quality looks great!
Well, at least I'm a little optimistic that it should work the way I'm expecting... :) At the moment I have to postpone painting, as we have extremely hot days here in Berlin 8-) I cannot ventilate my workshop due to the heat and there's a high danger that the nitro lacquer inhibits humidity at this temperature, so I'll have to wait a little bit... :roll:

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Parts for the radiator grille.

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Positioning the bottom plate, fixing polystyrene in a certain thickness as distance pieces.

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Fixing the top plate with the front frame.

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Filling up the gap with polyester putty and smoothening all around. Quite a work, but this way you get an sharp-edged and absolutely symmetrical master for casting.

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