Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Jean B.
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Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Gentlemen, I've decided to start a truly pharaonic project, this time :) You may remember, recently I built the two Delahaye 165 on Ixo diecast models, but originally wanted to do this on basis of two old Jabtoys white-metal ones. When having started, I noticed that the master-maker made a true scale copy of the 165, but used the (much shorter) wheelbase of the type 135 MS Compétition. As you know me, it's impossible for me to dump an old white-metal model, even if it shows such a poor quality like the Jabtoys' :roll: I studied some pictures and blueprints of old Delahayes, and the idea was born: The proportions and the wheelbase of the Jabtoys 165 perfectly would perfectly fit to a 135 MS Compétition court in 1/43. The problem: absolutely nothing of the original Jabtoys model can be used for the desired one. It will only be a kind of "support" for making the new model.

But first, pictures of what I'm going to build:

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This is the gorgeous 135 MS as shown at the Paris Salon in 1936, chassis No 47247. It was a real show-stopper, a fantasy dream car of that era bearing a Figoni coachwork. Figoni later was sued by Geo Ham (actually Georges Hamel), an illustrator of that time, who originally sketched this design and received a fee for each of the app. 11 cars made. Furthermore the first seven cars had to be signed with a small brass badge, indicating that the design was a "modèle deposée Geo Ham".

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This particular car respectively the coachwork was later destroyed in an accident. Nowadays a cream/red car with this chassis numer exists, but with a different (later) radiator grille and some other changings. Of course I want to make the original version of the Paris salon.

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The Jabtoys model numer 67, hardly more than a chunk of white-metal...

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Last time I tried to use the original base-plate, but was unhappy with the result.

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Designing a new base-plate.

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Etching the first necessary parts.

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The base-plate consists of two layers of 0.5mm sheet, soldered together.

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Upper side.

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By the way, my supplier of p/e material gives up his business, luckily I found another company. First I had to make tests with the new material, above using hitherto parameters, which led to over-etching, below using shorter times for lighting and developing with a proper result.

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First big work: making completely new pontoon fenders. There's a "blue-print" of the car in the www, which serves very well! These p/e parts form the correct sizes and proportions for the fenders.

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The existing fenders must be cut into.

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The model must be aligned very carefully, as there cannot be made any correction, later.

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After having soldered the front wings, the same procedure must be made for the rear wings, this time with the complication that the upper lines must be slightly curved.

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Ready for take-off :D

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All four wings soldered and filled with polyester putty.

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The basic shape of the new wings is done, not much left to do... :lol:

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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Another very ambitious build, looking forward to it!

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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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You're mad :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Jager wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:59 pm
You're mad :lol: :lol: :lol:
Eccentric perfectionist would be kinder :D 8-) ;)
Cheers,
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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Jager wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:59 pm
You're mad :lol: :lol: :lol:
x2 :lol: :lol:
Some people do like big challenges in their hobby life!
As always, starting stron with this project! Looking forward to updates.
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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Excellent idea to go for the 135, looking forward to that.

Jean B.
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Tom wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:26 pm
Another very ambitious build, looking forward to it!
Most ambitious, so far, I guess... :) The third day I was working on this build, I already was tempted to throw it all in the bin... Meanwhile I'm lucky that I stayed with the project :P
Jager wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:59 pm
You're mad :lol: :lol: :lol:
...they're coming to take me away, haha, they're coming to take me away, hoho, hihi, haha :mrgreen:
David MG wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:00 am
Eccentric perfectionist would be kinder :D 8-) ;)
Perhaps eccentric AND mad :lol:
Paulius43 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:25 am
x2 :lol: :lol:
Some people do like big challenges in their hobby life!
As always, starting stron with this project! Looking forward to updates.
I'm doing my best! Unfortunately, heading the end of the year, there are so many other things to do... I fear that I won't get this ready before X-mas, but will keep you informed, of course :P
gilma wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:17 am
Excellent idea to go for the 135, looking forward to that.
The fix points of the Jabtoys coincidentally all fall together with certain points of the 135 roadster, so there was no alternative, although it seems that I could have chosen any other car... :)

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After having shaped the fenders generally, the bonnet and radiator grille are to be made. A simple template helps aligning the car straightly and placing the grille perfectly centred.

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Some photos help shaping the curved lines.

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Some putty is needed to raise the bonnet line.

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Now the dummy grille is replaced by the final item. This is embedded in fresh putty.

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The excess carefully removed, and so the front end slowly comes into shape!

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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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That is a lot of work but it looks like it'll be a beautiful car.

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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Looking lovely already

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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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"...they're coming to take me away, haha, they're coming to take me away, hoho, hihi, haha"

to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time.

Trevor

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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Well this one pushes the boundaries somewhat. Inspirational stuff. Watching with great interest as always.
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Jean B.
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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Tom wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:14 pm
That is a lot of work but it looks like it'll be a beautiful car.
I really do hope so! It's a dream car, 1936 and nowadays, and in my opinion there's no really satisfying model of this car. All there are show improper proportions and clumsy details. Let's see if I can make some improvement ;)
reeft1 wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:28 pm
Looking lovely already
Thanks, but have a look below showing the finished basic shape :P
klubman01 wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:25 pm
"...they're coming to take me away, haha, they're coming to take me away, hoho, hihi, haha"

to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time.

Trevor
I'm pretty sure the songwriter had model-builders in mind :lol:
LM24HRS wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:17 pm
Well this one pushes the boundaries somewhat. Inspirational stuff. Watching with great interest as always.
Feel invited! I've never thought that I would do such a project :) In Germany we say "you always grow with your challenges" :)

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Time for some p/e templates. Designing only the hood template took one and a half days...

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Let's hope it will work...

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Placing the door templates.

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Tail fin is still missing. Trying to find the exact center line.

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Wasn't that difficult :P

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A view from below.

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Fin is finished.

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Scribing in the hood contures.

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Not to forget: making the wheels, here are the rear halves.

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The result of the past week.

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Fixing all spots and blemishes will surely take another week... :)

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Re: Delahaye 135 MS Compétition, based on Jabtoys Delahaye 165

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Enjoying this already. When you show us these steps it all looks so simple but it's very complicated when you know something about modelling...

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