Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

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Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:17 am

I've already announced the Alvis 4.3 l Open Tourer by J&M Classics as my next project, and indeed I've already started with it. But then I've made up my mind, as a customer asked me to finish his Épokit Voisin. Having the metal version by Ixo/Altay in my own collection (sadly it's only Chinese die-cast... :cry: ), I'll combine these two, although there will be hardly any interchangeable parts. - I love this car very much for it's spectacular "Bauhaus"-shape: Almost all lines and plain surfaces are exact circles or rectangles, combined to a dramatic design. It seems that the original is lost, the today's car may be a kind of mock-up or replica. Significant difference is the height and shape of the roof-line, here we have the only (?) vintage photo of that magnificent car:

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And that's the car today:

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A contemporary ad:

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...and the two models, the old Épokit with almost correct proportions, the Ixo with a much too flat roof-line (the sliding sun roof wouldn't open, I guess :) ):

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The resin model was already started and painted, but that cannot be used:

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The Ixo model is shorter and much too fat (like all Ixo models :roll: ):

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Having had a sleepless night, I already designed the marvelous Art-Déco cloth for the interior (indeed according the original pattern):

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... and I'm not sure yet which painting scheme the car will get :) :

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by LUW » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:15 am

Following.
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:29 am

Yet another really cool project.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by LM24HRS » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:55 pm

The interior is going to be a sight in itself :D

Always lots to be learnt from your builds Jean so I shall stay tuned.
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by David MG » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:48 am

I'll be watching intently.

Here's a pic of the more accurate Spark.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:26 pm

LUW wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:15 am
Following.
Welcome to another ride through the depths of insanity :mrgreen:
Tom wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:29 am
Yet another really cool project.
Always glad to have you on board, welcome! :P
LM24HRS wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:55 pm
The interior is going to be a sight in itself :D Always lots to be learnt from your builds Jean so I shall stay tuned.
Nice to hear! Hope you won't get dizzy with two different models at the same time... :roll:
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I'll be watching intently. Here's a pic of the more accurate Spark.
Great! I own the Spark version, too, as I didn't know that there are 1/43 models in resin when I started collecting. Although I bought an originally packed new one, my Spark has already lost dozens of parts - I'll restore it somewhen in the future and put it on ebay, I guess...

The bottom lines are to be deleted, as I will surely make p/e parts for that case:

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The cutouts for the wheels are wrong: They have to make a circle around the tires, not going straight downwards

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So they have to be narrowed with some metal putty, first getting some grip for it:

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...and here's already the result:

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Now the cutouts are fully rounded:

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The Epokit wheels are a big mess, the wholes rearwards don't sit in the center:

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Making some slots to fill with putty:

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And afterwards trying my new tool, something to find the center on round parts:

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Making one line:

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...and a second:

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Having a perfect centered point:

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Drilling:

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Ready:

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Using a brass tube to make the wheels rolling smoothely:

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Perfect:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:37 pm

Having it sit squarely on its wheels is vital to the appearance of the model. Good start to the project.

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Post by LUW » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:49 pm

I liked that new tool, truly handy.
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by LM24HRS » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:14 pm

Well Jean, I've learnt a lot already :shock: Your new "finding the center" of things tool is so simple but so very effective.
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:44 pm

Tom wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:37 pm
Having it sit squarely on its wheels is vital to the appearance of the model. Good start to the project.
Like in real life, this should also be the way to build a model car: beginning with chassis and wheels, and then the upper bodywork. In fact I'm often impatient and start with those details which seem to be the most attractive to handle... :roll:
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:49 pm
I liked that new tool, truly handy.
Isn't it? I love the tool catalogue of this company (zu Jeddeloh, specialized in gold smiths supply), my favourite good night reading matter...
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:14 pm
Well Jean, I've learnt a lot already :shock: Your new "finding the center" of things tool is so simple but so very effective.
When I got it, I was afraid that it might be much too big :shock: , but in fact it is so precisely made that you can use it for millimeters, too :)

The shape of the hood goes "up" to the window:

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...but not for long:

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And now the Ixo stands on its wheels, too:

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The seats of the Epokit seem to be a kind of fantasy:

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I want to cover them with the Art-Déco fabric, so they should be smoothed:

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The white-metal headlights of the Epokit were mounted with super-glue. Unfortunately there was no way to get the left one out without destruction:

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Drilled out and put a piece of 5mm polysterene rod into:

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Almost perfect:

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The differences in interpretation of the original cannot be bigger, I guess:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:57 pm

Not even close to looking like the same car. Impressive work so far.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jager » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:47 pm

Jean, I hope you'll do us all a favour and email your photo documentary to IXO to show them what is possible :D .
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by reeft1 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:21 am

Very clever! Especially the wheel centre finder. Very effective

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:51 pm

Tom wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:57 pm
Not even close to looking like the same car. Impressive work so far.
I find the differences in scale always very annoying :evil: . The Épokit seems to have the correct wheelbase of 3100 mm. The Ixo models normally are too fat and/or too big at all, but this time it's closer to 1/48, but still too fat!
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Jean, I hope you'll do us all a favour and email your photo documentary to IXO to show them what is possible :D .
First let's see what really is possible, I've got many crazy plans for this car... :o
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Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:21 am
Very clever! Especially the wheel centre finder. Very effective
At least it's a tool with which I know what to do! Most of the tools are still enigmatic for me...

Time for a small intermezzo! I indeed have a second copy of the Altaya model, I really don't know why I've bought this, too... :?: But this way I can compare the Ixo/Altaya version with the Spark, and - big surprise! - they definitely used the same master! The Spark has lots of photo-etched details, but the shape in general is exactly the same, with also most of the mistakes...:

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ImageThe radiator grill of the Spark has a different - better - shape than that of the Ixo. This will help with building the Ixo...

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The Spark grill (right) is narrower at the top and looks therefore more realistic:

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Of course the bonnet must be narrowed then, too...:

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Trying to make a thin relieved surrounding for the rear wings:

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The grille for the Épokit is much too high:

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Therefore I will raise the body at the bottom line:

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With some putty this should work, but of course the lower part must be covered with vaseline:

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Now everything fits perfect:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:03 pm

Very creative. What are you going to do with the Spark and Ixo?

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by LM24HRS » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:57 pm

Jean, this is all very impressive. As I always say. "The devil is in the detail" and until you start doing comparisons with other models you begin to notice the lack of or incorrect detail. Excellent work.
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Post by Jager » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:39 pm

How interesting that the Spark and IXO/Altaya are the same. I wonder who copied who, and how many other models this applies to.
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:10 pm

Tom wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:03 pm
Very creative. What are you going to do with the Spark and Ixo?
I don't know... The Altaya is a "cheap" model which won't make a big deal on ebay, and the Spark :?: Perhaps I will restore it somewhen in the future and try to sell it for some Euros :) At the moment I still need some parts of the Spark as templates for the Ixo/Altaya.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:57 pm
Jean, this is all very impressive. As I always say. "The devil is in the detail" and until you start doing comparisons with other models you begin to notice the lack of or incorrect detail. Excellent work.
Thank you! That's the point: I originally planned to only make the Épokit "ready", without doing much detail work. But when starting, step by step you find one "mistake" and the next, and being obsessive I simply cannot leave all this alone! :roll:
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:39 pm
How interesting that the Spark and IXO/Altaya are the same. I wonder who copied who, and how many other models this applies to.
Either they made a joint-venture and shared the master, or - that's what I guess - Spark took the Ixo and changed some details to make its resin model. Decades ago Gunze-Sangyo made the same with Solido: My Bugatti Coupé Napoléon from Gunze (made of white-metal) shows exactly the same surface blemishes like the well-known Solido (made of die-cast).

The first perfect summer day kept me away from model-building 8-) , I only took the Spark radiator grille, applied some play-doh where needed and made a silicone mould:

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Then I'll make a resin copy, which can be over-worked as necessary, and this new master will serve to cast it in white-metal for the final use.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Paulius43 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:32 am

Impressive carnage and frankenstein build process including your master skills.

By any chance, have you checked on the Minichamps version of this? I've read that it is the most accurate of all (supposedly scanned from the real example at Mullin Museum).
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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:31 pm

Paulius43 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:32 am
Impressive carnage and frankenstein build process including your master skills. By any chance, have you checked on the Minichamps version of this? I've read that it is the most accurate of all (supposedly scanned from the real example at Mullin Museum).
No doubt that the Minichamps is a fantastic model, but: it's made of resin :( :!: I swore an oath not to collect plastic or resin made models (there's one single exception), and so only the Ixo is on my radar. Furthermore, also the Minichamps shows the replica version with the low roof-line and some other mistakes...

And so I've continued my "frankenstein build process" and decided to make a completely new radiator grille. That seems to be lots easier than the way I had in mind... First a piece of 4mm brass is cut out roughly:

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arrowed:

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Shape of the radiator is right, the bonnet is too wide:

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Edges rounded:

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Louvers were deleted:

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Quite nice:

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For comparison:

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New louvers to be designed:

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It helps to put pictures of the original car and the model one above the other to determine the correct shapes and lines of the photo-etch parts:

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:36 pm

Very impressive. Love the radiator housing already.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Jean B. » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:08 pm

Tom wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:36 pm
Very impressive. Love the radiator housing already.
First I wanted to copy-cast the Spark grille in resin, work this over and cast this in white-metal. But when I found out that the Spark plastic grille has a p/e mesh insert, this method would have been quite weird :roll: . So I took the saw and carved the radiator housing by hand from a solid piece of brass. As I need this part only once in a lifetime for this particular model, there's no need to have a master for copying it... :)

What's happened by now? The bonnet was filed down to meet the lines of the radiator surrounding:

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The bottom line on both sides is now recessed, the lines are lowered:

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The door panels were filed down, they were too much bulb-shaped:

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Here the original layout on the other side:

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...and the re-done style:

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Let the sunshine in 8-) :

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This line had to be engraved, Ixo didn't make that:

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A vise helps flattening the side parts to get a straight roof line on both sides:

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The new roof-line is directly taken from the original photo of the car and transferred to the model scale:

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Printed and then sticked onto 2mm polysterene board:

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cut-out:

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Fixed behind the panel with polyester putty, after setting of this removed and honed:

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Made on both sides, filed down to the correct shape, the top edge of the window cutouts had to be risen (here only made on the right-hand side):

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by Tom » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:29 pm

As usual, very creative use of technology and materials to achieve a perfect result.

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Re: Voisin C27 Aérosport double feature: Ixo & Épokit

Post by LUW » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:47 pm

As expected, things are coming out great.
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