Bugatti -le pur-sang des automobiles-

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Post by stewil » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:01 am

This thread has been fun as it has allowed me to see some of my favorite cars in your wonderful model pics and those of Ozmac's Schlumpf Museum visit.
It has also helped me revisit my own Bugatti models scattered throughout my collection, thus some more pics of my Bugs. Enjoy.

An MA Collection model. Saw the 1:1 and it became an instant favorite, glad to have found the model.
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The line up
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Heco models
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and another,
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and two more, closest the house, plus an IXO Royale Esders roadster.
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There are four in this group
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A Heco 1929 Royale in yel/blk
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and the Franklin Mint example
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Another Heco
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Finally a Brumm T59 that I messed with a bit
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Post by DeadCanDanceR » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:32 pm

Awesome Bugattis, Steve!

Peeking into your collection is always a joy! ;)
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Post by splonker » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:20 pm

Great photos Jamies and some very nice modesl Steve. One I forgot I had.

T46 from 1936 by Western Models.
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Post by mikeC » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:15 pm

You've got some fabulous models there, Steve, and not just the Bugattis. :mrgreen:

Just a minor point: the early car you have labelled as the first Bugatti is not a 1911 Type 13, but a 1912 Type 15 (chassis #446). The Type 13, 15 and 17 were identical designs on different length chassis, but the first Bugatti was the Type 10:

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Here are the Type 13 and 'your' Type 15:

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I hope you don't mind me correcting you...
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Post by stewil » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:54 pm

Mike,
I am always happy to be corrected. Thank you.
Much appreciate the history lesson and the photos too.
The model was sold as described and I did no further research on it, but now will.

The next day. September 21st

Here is what I learned. There were many body styles including this one for the T13 produced in 1911.
This is the first of many pictures of 1911 T13 as well as others from other years:
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Website for the pictures:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&cli ... i++Type+13:

Wikipedia said this:
The Type 13 was the first real Bugatti car. Production of the Type 13 and later Types 15, 17, 22, and 23, began with the company's founding in 1910 and lasted through 1920 with 435 examples produced. Most road cars used an 8-valve engine, though five Type 13 racers had 16-valve heads, one of the first ever produced. The road cars became known as "pur-sang" ("thoroughbred") in keeping with Ettore Bugatti's feelings for his designs.
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The Bugatti automobile was prototyped as the Type 10 in Ettore Bugatti's basement in 1908 and 1909 while he was chief engineer at Deutz Gasmotoren Fabrik in Cologne, Germany.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Type_13

This was the most interesting bit I learned:
Type 13 Brescia One of my favorite Bugs after the T35 BTW.
A Grand Prix for Voiturettes at Le Mans was the only French event of 1920, and Bugatti entered the two completed cars from Milan and one more from the remaining parts. Ettore's illegal act of placing a hand on the radiator cap during the race brought disqualification to the leading car, however.
The Type 13 was unbeatable. Bugatti's cars placed 1, 2, 3, 4 at the Brescia Grand Prix in 1921, and orders poured in. Capitalizing on this victory, all subsequent 4-valve Bugatti models would bear the Brescia moniker.
These were the only Bugatti models to locate the carburettor on the left hand side of the engine and the exhaust on the right. Front wheel brakes were added in 1926.


Therefore, as far as I can tell the model maker is correct in calling this a 1911 Type13, and maybe I should call this the first production Bugatti as the T10 was a prototype.
I learned more about Bugatti cars. Thank you again for your post
Cheers and Happy Collecting,
Steve

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Post by stewil » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:05 pm

I keep finding Bugs. Enjoy.

A black Spark and Heco Gangloff coupe look well displayed together
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1939 Bugatti T57C, “Shah of Persia”, Figoni & Falaschi
Among the world's greatest cars, two similar classic French streamliners are considered by connoisseurs to be rivals for the title
"Most Beautiful Car In The World." They are the 1939 Figoni & Falaschi Delahaye Type 165 Cabriolet, and their 1939 "Shah of Persia" Bugatti
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Most of the above as shown in a Concourse de Elegance
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The Heco horse drawn cab was used during WWII in France, and two Elgior T35's.
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another Heco
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A nice IXO
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Splonker - your T46 looks to be in better shape than mine, and with such a nice background too.
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Post by DeadCanDanceR » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:26 pm

Awesome findings, Steve! :o
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Post by mikeC » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:28 am

Steve, I'll grant you that the Type 13 was the first production Bugatti, but all Type 13s had a very short wheelbase - 6' 8" from memory - whereas the Type 15 and 17 had longer wheelbases of, I think, 7' 9" and 8' 4" (or metric equivalents!). The 1:1 of your model was discovered in the 1960s in Denmark by Dennis Hebsgaard.

"Bugatti historian David Sewell has confirmed that chassis 446, fitted with engine number 88 was delivered from Bugatti's Molsheim factory on 25th May 1912 as a rolling chassis to Herr Hasskerl of Strasbourg the company agent for all of Germany. The car passed to the Luxus Automobil Gesellschaft of Munich to be sold to Count von Seilern, but it would seem he never took delivery because by 6th September 1912 it was then delivered to Lammel, a local agent or garage owner, based at Chemnitz in Eastern Germany. Finally the car was sold by Lammel to its first proper owner, a Mr. Kresse."

Full details of the car can be found here:
http://www.bugattirevue.com/revue22/1911.htm
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Post by bomber21 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:37 am

This is the only Bugatti I have. I bought it in early 90's and since then it sits on a shelf. It is a 1/24 Bburago.

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Post by chr15b » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:53 am

I believe its quite normal, the weight of the car over time puts pressure on things like springs, shocks, rubber bushes etc, plus causes damage to the wall of the tyres.

a lot of supercars that are bought as investments are sadly kept like this too

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Post by stewil » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:24 pm

Hi mikeC,
The Bugatti Review article was outstanding and am so happy to know about it.
Have bookmarked the page to all of the review's and here is a link to that page:
http://www.bugattirevue.com/revuold.htm
What a great resource.

More to the point, the article below (about the #6 Bugatti) gave the wheelbases of the Type 13 as being 2 meters, with 2.4 meters for the Type 15
and 2.55 meters for the Type 17. I measured (correctly I hope?) the model which works out to 2.4 meters, ergo a Type 15.
Am not sure why the model maker, Christian Gouel, in his Orangerie Moderne Models range would make an error.

Again thanks for your input and the wonderful resource,
Steve
Cheers and Happy Collecting,
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Post by stewil » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:51 am

I found even more Bugs and I think this is all I have. Thus one more set of pics that I hope you enjoy seeing.

Another T35, this one by IXO
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1937 Bugatti T57/59, Super Sport Special Roadster, by Chromes
The 1:1 story: http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/103 ... 20Litre%20..
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1937 Bugatti T57C, Van Vooren, by Chromes chassis #57617
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1938 Bugatti T57 Coupé Gangloff by Chromes, chassis #57717
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1939 Bugatti 57 Stelvio Gangloff Cabriolet Chassis #57740 by Chromes
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A Look Smart Bugatti offering.
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Nice dash
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and rear.
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Finally a Bugatti EB 16.4 Veyron Supercar - very fast - both big and little by Auto Art.
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Post by DeadCanDanceR » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:09 pm

Gee Steve, all of those Chromes look amazingly nice! :o Such a fabulous delight! :o
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Post by Arvid » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:11 am

steve you have an impressive bugatti collection there

especially heco and chromes models are stunning

since i started my bugatti collection can you compare heco quality with chromes? i would like to buy heco's but dont know them really
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Post by Arvid » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:14 am

and heres my addition

chromes t57 gangloff

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Post by bomber21 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:21 pm

Wonderful car....

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Post by DeadCanDanceR » Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:13 pm

Awesome!!! :o
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Post by Ozmac » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:03 pm

Wow those Chromes things are nice, so I went onto eBay to see what kind of prices were being asked for them. :shock:

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Post by DeadCanDanceR » Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:53 am

Ozmac wrote:Wow those Chromes things are nice, so I went onto eBay to see what kind of prices were being asked for them. :shock:
Not what one would call affordable...hey? :?
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Post by mikeC » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:14 am

I suspect these are not very affordable either, but they do include the original Type 10 and Type 13:

http://knoppmodels.cz/

Frustratingly there is no price quoted...
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Post by stewil » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:24 pm

Hi Arvid,
You asked me to compare heco quality with chromes.
Both are similar sitting on the shelf but the Chromes/Illario models have finer detailing and thus the edge IMHO.
Also - Heco is out of the game except on the secondary market.

Not producing Buggatis but EMC tops both in quality and I also like Top Marks, but their selection is very limited.
The Look Smart Bugatti is outstanding and we can only hope for more by them.
Cheers and Happy Collecting,
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Post by Arvid » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:09 am

thank you

i was looking for looksmarts so with this info i will be buying them without questions in my mind(cos looksmart models sometimes not looking realistic -especially the wheels and body proportions)
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Post by splonker » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:43 pm

Spark T57 4 door saloon by Galabier 1939
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DG Autocast T57S Corsica bodied roadster from 1937
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Western T57S Corsica bodied Tourer from 1937. Sir Malcolm Campbell's car finished in Bluebird Blue, he only drove it for 800 miles before selling it to R E Gardner who kept it for 40 years! Campbell described it as "the best all round super sports car which is available on the market today".
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Some comparison shots of the Corsica T57s
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Post by DeadCanDanceR » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:04 pm

Great photos of your Galibier, Ian! ;)

Mine...will be posted in a couple of months... :?
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